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Just finished reading a great interview with Alan by Christianity Today.

I want to spend 24 hours processing it and I will post a reflection tomorrow as to some implications for youth ministry.

Until then, here is a great quote to ponder:

In your book, you echoed a statement by Neil Cole that basically said the bar has been set too low in most modern churches when it comes to disciple making. Can you explain that a bit further?

Yes, what Neil says in effect is that we need to raise the bar on our expectations for disciple making and lower the bar on our expectations for church. And I think he’s right. I mean, that’s exactly what the early church did, and it’s certainly what the Chinese church is doing. In a martyrdom movement, you’re raising the bar extremely high. People are going to die, and the churches teach them how to die well.

But in our culture, we tend to reverse that. We deliver all the goodies up front, and then we wonder why people don’t become disciples. My question is: Why would they? What’s with all that stuff about “death to self”? Why should I change, and why should I volunteer for all that heavy lifting when I’ve got my snout in the trough right now?

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